Thursday, October 20, 2011

"The speaker says that here in Washington we're all friends after 6."

I came away from last night's Town Board meeting thinking of Ron Reagan (President from January 20, 1981 - January 20, 1989) and Tip O'Neill (Speaker of the House of Representatives from January 4, 1977 - January 3, 1987).  These two powerful men, whose terms overlapped for six years could argue tooth and nail about an issue, still be friends in private and importantly, find common ground when it really mattered, when the Nation's interests were at hand. 

Curiosity got the better of me and I found this article by Chris Matthews and opted to post it in its entirety.

What Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill could teach Washington today
By Chris Matthews
Washington Post
Tuesday, January 18, 2011
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/17/AR2011011703299.html

A vigorous debate over the role of government is always at the heart of our democracy. Since the shootings in Arizona, however, many have said that our partisan ferocity is unhealthy.

So it seems like a good time to reflect on Ronald Reagan and Tip O'Neill. It would serve us well to understand how these very different politicians managed to temper their philosophical divide with a public, and sometimes personal, cordiality.

About this time of year three decades ago, Reagan went to the Capitol to deliver the State of the Union address. His designated "holding room" was the speaker's ceremonial office just off the House floor. I was a senior aide to the speaker, and I thought a little kidding was in order.

"Mr. President, welcome to the room where we plot against you," I said.

"Oh, no, not after 6," he replied. "The speaker says that here in Washington we're all friends after 6."

Reagan was warm - and he meant his words. For years, he and O'Neill engaged in tough partisan competition. They gave no quarter and expected none. The president believed that government wasn't the solution; it was the problem. The House speaker believed that people, especially the old, the sick and the young, needed help along the way.

There was something the American people liked about this test of wills. Voters saw these political heavyweights jousting over ideas and dealing with each other as worthy opponents. Citizens clearly felt satisfied that these politicians were fighting the good fight on their behalf.

Reagan had a basic philosophy: Cut taxes, cut the size of government and beat the Soviets. Tip believed that Social Security had alleviated the fear millions once had of old age, and that the GI Bill and other government programs built the American middle class. Yet, occasionally, the two found common ground.

"Tip had the last word and it was good one," Reagan jotted in his diary after one meeting. Another entry: "I'm having more luck with Demos than Repubs. Asked O'Neill if I could address a joint session next week. He agreed."

To soften the edges, they would share lunches from time to time, and always on St. Patrick's Day.

"It's Tip's birthday and we had a good time telling stories - Irish stories," Reagan wrote. That lunch, his aide Ken Duberstein later told me, lasted till 3 p.m.

Their disagreements over the country's direction were impassioned and sincere.

"I called Tip O'Neill. I'm not sure he's ready to give in," the Gipper once wrote. "Tip is truly a New Deal liberal. He honestly believes that we're promoting welfare for the rich."

The speaker got frustrated more than once. He would come back from White House meetings complaining that the president read everything "off three-by-five index cards."

But consider the bond some Reagan diary entries suggest: "Tip and I got into Donnybrook. I really had my dander up. The worst of it is Tip O'Neill doesn't have the facts of what was in the budget. Besides he doesn't listen."

"Tip is a real pol," Reagan wrote after one St. Patrick's Day lunch. "He can really like you personally and be a friend while politically trying to beat your head in."

Here's Tip on Reagan: "Away from politics, he's a charmer."

There was something there I miss today. They argued, but they were always able to talk. And there were important times for the country when they put their heads together. When Reagan took office wanting to push cuts in taxes and domestic spending, Tip refused to play games. There was no filibustering, no efforts to jam up the system. Reagan deserved his time at bat.

In Reagan's second year, a deepening recession had put his policies in question, and the Democratic speaker had the upper hand. "Tip O'Neill made a speech to Republicans telling them why they should support me. It seemed strange - both of us on the same side," Reagan wrote.

In 1983, after a big Democratic victory in the midterms, both backed the bipartisan solution to keeping Social Security sustainable. Later, in a joint effort, they passed a historic tax reform.

Reagan would later say that he recognized Mikhail Gorbachev as a different kind of Soviet leader - and that it reminded him of his relationship with Tip.

Tip's daughter Susan recently told me about her father's feelings toward Reagan: "He liked him."

When Reagan spoke at Tip's goodbye party in 1986, he said: "Mr. Speaker, I'm grateful you have permitted me in the past and I hope in the future that singular honor - the honor of calling you my friend."

I didn't get the full picture on this fascinating relationship until much later. After the assassination attempt, Reagan was in far worse shape than was publicly known when Tip arrived at the hospital. Max Friedersdorf, the president's congressional liaison, was alone across the room.

In a letter to me, Max described how the speaker went to Reagan's bedside, took hold of both his hands and knelt. "Thanks for coming, Tip," he heard the president whisper.

The two recited together the 23rd Psalm. Tip rose, kissed Reagan on the forehead and said he didn't want to keep him from his rest.

Max shared this story long after both men were gone. It would have been good to hear earlier - because it shows how deeply these political giants recognized and honored their shared humanity, despite their stark differences of philosophy.

It is a joy to savor it now.

Chris Matthews hosts "Hardball" on MSNBC and "The Chris Matthews Show." He was a senior aide to House Speaker Thomas P. "Tip" O'Neill Jr. from 1981 through 1987.

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Chris Matthews is right, we need more of this in Washington. But we also need it at the State level and we need it at the local level.

Pete Stenson

15 comments:

  1. I agree with you on this one Pete-- but I don't believe it will happen at the town level in our lifetime. Kudos to Ginny O'Brian(sorry if I misspelled your name) and Rick Matters for adhering to a higher standard. Others could learn from them.

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  2. I plan on seeing it happen ...

    Pete Stenson

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  3. Interesting but completely fantastic article.

    Tip O'Neill on Ronald Reagan:

    "The most ignorant man who had ever occupied the White House."

    "Herbert Hoover with a smile, a cheerleader for selfishness."

    “The evil is in the White House at the present time. And that evil is a man who has no care and no concern for the working class of America and the future generations of America, and who likes to ride a horse. He’s cold. He’s mean. He’s got ice water for blood.”

    "The least knowledgeable President I've ever met, on any subject."

    "It was sinful that Reagan had been elected ."

    Also: He was known to laugh at and repeat the description (made initially by Clark Clifford) of Reagan as an "amiable dunce".

    Another O'Neill comment, about Republicans in general: "Am I going to get some Republican scalps down the road? You bet I am."

    Tip O'Neill did sling mud just like others have throughout our history. Often these comments would come immediately following a "friendly" lunch with the President. The tone in the 1980s was not all that much different than it is today. Google all the Nazi and Mein Kampf (not to mention the studpidity) comments directed at Reagan by political operatives, the media and by members of Congress.

    Reagan was not a saint, but I could not find any like (i.e. nasty) comments made by him towards Tip O'Neill; nor could I find any truly demeaning comments towards Democrats. I did find one reference (not a direct quote) in which he complained that a memo that O'Neill had released contained the most lies he had ever seen in his life.

    And Chris Matthews? He was O'Neill's Communications Director for goodness sake. In the 1980s he directed O'Neill in a stinging media barrage, excoriating Reagan and the Republicans. Our memories cannot be that weak - the Left savaged Reagan.

    And more recently from Matthews:

    He referrred to Gov. Chris Christie of NJ as "Fat-boy" Christie.

    He said Sarah Palin was "just like Ghaddafy".

    His comments on Rush Limbaugh: "I have to tell you, Rush Limbaugh is looking more and more like Mr. Big, and at some point somebody's going to jam a CO2 pellet into his head and he's going to explode like a giant blimp. That day may come. Not yet. But we'll be there to watch."

    His comments on Hillary Clinton: "I'll be brutal, the reason she's a U.S. senator, the reason she's a candidate for president, the reason she may be a front-runner is her husband messed around. That's how she got to be Senator from New York. We keep forgetting it. She didn't win there on her merit."

    There really is so much more with this guy - you could go on forever.

    Your overall point about civility is a good one. But maybe you should forget about quoting people with agendas who also have skeletons in and out of their closet. I believe you can express thoughts better than Chris Matthews.

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  4. Tom Grant (the old one)October 21, 2011 4:00 PM

    Terrific post Pete:
    Thanks for sharing.

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  5. Thanks for your input, 11:29.

    More importantly, thank you EG Talks for posting his commment. Shows class posting at dissenting comment ... unlike some other blog.

    I'd be interested in seeing citations, though.

    Wikipedia offers the following (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tip_O'Neill):

    - Privately, O'Neill and Reagan were always on cordial terms, or as Reagan himself put it in his memoirs, they were friends "after 6PM."

    - O'Neill in that same memoir when questioned by Reagan regarding a personal attack against the President that made the paper, explained that "before 6PM it's all politics."

    - Reagan once compared O'Neill to the then-popular arcade game Pac-Man in a speech, saying that he was "a round thing that gobbles up money".

    - He also once joked he had received a valentine card from O'Neill: "I knew it was from Tip, because the heart was bleeding."

    Thanks again, to both 11:29 and EG Talks.

    Pete Stenson

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  6. “The evil is in the White House at the present time. And that evil is a man who has no care and no concern for the working class of America and the future generations of America, and who likes to ride a horse. He’s cold. He’s mean. He’s got ice water for blood.” ........ can be found in "God and Ronald Reagan: A Spiritual Life" by Paul Kengor (pg 252) - taken directly from O'Neill's speech at the 1984 Democratic National Convention.

    "The most ignorant man who had ever occupied the White House." .... "Herbert Hoover with a smile, a cheerleader for selfishness." ... and some of the other quotes can be found repeated in the Speaker's own book: Man of the House: The Life and Political Memoirs of Speaker Tip O'Neill

    The Matthews quotes/attacks can be found all over the Internet - especially You Tube.

    The Speaker was hardly a firebrand but he too got caught up in some of the ugliness. Matthews is the one that really gets under my skin.

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  7. Thanks Tom Grant (the elder?). My pleasure ... glad you enjoyed.

    The point is they could put their differences aside and be friends "after 6PM". Something I think is lacking at times in today's world.

    I enjoy the Chris Matthews Show on Sunday morning (as well as Meet the Press - but still miss Tim Russert, apologies to David Gregory) ... Hardball is a little tougher to take at times.

    Pete Stenson

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  8. "after 6pm" - clearly lacking in todays world !

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  9. Pete....Might be possible when we get some straight dealing from the administration. No code and no audit doesn't bode well.

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  10. As Chair of CFAC, not a week passes without me asking Comptroller Breig about status of the audit.

    According to today's Times Union article entitled "Colonie audit triggers dispute"), that audit only came out last week.

    (http://www.timesunion.com/local/article/Colonie-audit-triggers-dispute-2238082.php

    Concerning the (Ethics?) code, I recall Sup. McCabe mentioning at last week's Town Board meeting something to the effect that Jack Conway admitted during the Joint Town Board - Ethics Board Meeting that there was still work to be done (Apologies to both for throwing them into the mix, here. I can't vouch for this as I was not at the Joint Meeting).

    The question in both situations really boils down to quick versus right. I'll opt for right.

    Pete Stenson

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  11. Pete..... October 27th isn't "quick" in either case.

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  12. Oct. 27th is irrelevant when the ramifications of a mistake are taken into account. Ramming thru something to satisfy a few is not prudent- specifically when Unions are involved and there is almost a guarantee of backlash from employees.
    Just because a few residents don't care for Town employees doesn't necessarily mean this ethics code is the "catch-all".
    I would opt for "correct" and enforceable as well !

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  13. Don Johnson,

    With all due respect, I don't recall seeing you ask about either the Audit or the Ethics Law at the last Town Board meeting.

    Pete Stenson

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  14. Transparency on finances and transparency on ethics are the issues here. Ten months into the 2011 fiscal year, we have no idea of the performance of management during 2010. Just unacceptable. And it is perfectly clear that the Board does not want the public to see what the Ethics Board has proposed and be able to see the Board's changes. Just that simple.

    The Board has forgotten that the Code of Ethics is for OUR Town, not the narrow focus of this particular Board's needs. The Board should remember that its "edits" will be reviewed against the codes of other NYS Towns, and the special interest stuff will show up like sore thumbs.

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  15. With all due respect Pete, we've been here before and nothing changes. Spin, misleading and false statements and "what are you going to do about it" makes it very clear that asking produces nothing.

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